See, John 14:17 for he dwells with you (old testament), and shall be in you (new testament). So, then how much greater exploits, Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. What power? Yet, is Furtick teaching heresy, for this is what John was saying; For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 1 John 5:7. There's also the cool factor, stoked by a marketing-savvy Elevation staff of flip-flop-and-T-shirt-wearing twentysomethings. I only have one question for you: Do you agree that God is a molecular structure that fills all in all? Pastor Steven Furtick (left), of Elevation Church, and Pastor Terrell Murphy, of New Birth Charlotte, pray together before a large crowd at the close of a shared service for the two churches at Cricket Arena in Charlotte, N.C. Furtick and staffers get together in a camper parked next to Providence High as they prepare for a Sunday sermon. His birth sign is Pisces. Steven Furtick went about his get-ready ritual in a camper parked outside. Youre right Steven Furtick doesnt seem like a womanizer or a manipulator. As for; , our lack of faith cannot prevent Him from acting if He wants to, is partly right, as the word says he wants to,; For There is such a thing as an atmosphere of faith, which genders favorable results, even Jesus knew this, as here in his own turf, he would put out doubters; The child is not dead. This is where you read a section of the Bible and you ask what is says. Singular: just like in English, the number of subjects that the verb applies to. In any other context, I have no doubt you would share my concern: In the beginning, Marduk created the heavens and the earth. The problem is what the people teach, and the damage done to both believers and non-believers alike. Do you know of any instances he may have snuck that in a sermon? Rip down your character by listening to Satan. One strategy is to ask questions in a different context. As another scripture that captures this faith concept is Jesus saying; According to your faith be it unto you. Matthew 9:29. Women received their dead raised to life again. Verses 33-35. Is that REALLY all you got out of my response? The implication, of course, is that regular Christians do not. For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus said the HolySpirit proceeds from the Father. God is the supreme authority in all things, and subject to none. If someone makes a good point, good but we dont use human authority to point out Gods authority in Scripture. Received you the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? And He therefore that ministers to you the Spirit, and works miracles among you, does he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Galatians 3: 2 and 5 Jesus still has a body, by the way He didnt stop being human after the resurrection. Its that we wield the same kind of power that God has. Steven Furtick is an excellent communicator. As for did and could, do you really think that its okay to misquote clear passages of Scripture? But also, I think many teachers, Pastors, etc. Sarah didnt have faith that God could give her a son, but He did anyway. Dont listen to what I say, or what Steven Furtick says. Future tense: just like in English, points to an event that will, or might, happen in the future. Unfortunately, his father passed away on 5 June 2013, at the age of 60 years as he was suffering from Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis (ALS). What does the text say? God has revealed (some of) Himself through His Word. Apparently, in his own words, Steven Furtick does. Ignite Gods Vision for Your Life. how can God be three persons and yet one?"' Heres Furtick, talking about Gods encounter with Moses in the wilderness: When God said I Am to Moses, you know, my name is I Am, He was trying to get him to see you are as I am. Then you might, when the time is right, ask him this: What would you say to someone who explained Jesus ascension this way? and then quote Furtick: and now Jesus is taken from their sight, and hidden in a cloud, but he did not leave. Yes, the first quote as noted is not heretical. Part of the problem is that we humans are too often lazy, impulsive, greedy, self-absorbed, and pleasure-seeking. In the latter, he even did an impression of Sylvester Stallone. Receive Steven Furtick's free 1-Minute Motivation. Mostly Im concerned for the next generation. As far as God is concerned, that settles the issue of healing, as its all done, 1 Peter 2:24. Its no coincidence that the book of Jude is just before the Book of Revelation. did for the present (to speak with reverence), in effect, tie his hands: He did not many mighty works there, because of their unbelief. Here is what the great Matthew Henry said; It (this familiarity breeding contempt). I heard a bible teacher say once, that we should let the scripture interpret scripture, as it does a better job. I dont have an aversion to faith folks. You and I have a responsibility to the gospel as it was once and for all handed down: Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to Gods holy people. On that recent Sunday morning at Providence High, Furtick got applause when he said Elevation had baptized 629 the weekend before. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.. Id be happy to help! She is only sleeping. But they (the doubters) laughed at Him. See, up until now I have walked with you, but when I send my spirit, I will be in you. I thought I left a reply but apparently didnt go through. That notwithstanding, i believe as a human, we should be able to sieve what we are being told, take the good and ignore the evil. The gospel , death, burial and resurrection of our Lord. Let me go a step farther and BEG YOU to take the Bible more seriously, and to compare what Ive written, what youve written, and what Steven Furtick says with Gods Word. Their low self-esteem is why Jesus COULD NOT release the power of God, no matter how badly He wanted to. Does that make sense? It is Jesus name and the faith that comes through him that has completely healed him, as you can all see (Acts 3:1216). The number of times someone is right is irrelevant to the question of whether they also teach false things. The standard in the New Testament is clear: we ARE to throw the baby out with the bath water. You gotta get healed in your heart, and then release it. This is a common practice among those in the Word of Faith and New Apostolic Reformation movements: making claims that sound good, that have no basis in Scripture, that cant be contradicted directly because theyre created out of thin air. (This collection of 100 awakened leaders who are using their voices and talent to elevate humanity also included Bishop T.D. They should not be tolerated in the local church. He draws us to Himself. And Jesus said unto him, Go your way; your faith has made you whole. Is it possible to recognize anothers errors without being jealous? If Steven Furtick fails to actually tell people how to get to Heaven, theyll never get there. The same goes for non-Christian teachings from Word of Faith folks and NAR folks. Do YOU believe that God is a molecular structure? You can SAY that youre right, but you cant responsibly use Scripture to show that youre right. If you think I shouldnt be writing about false teachers, what do you think I should do instead? Most of it has nothing directly to do with being born again. Thank you for your gracious words and help. The disclaimer especially. His sermons usually have provocative titles. He is unique. Note, Unbelief is the great obstruction to Christs favours. Im trying to understand what modalism is and why as Christians it is the wrong belief system. COULD JESUS HAVE HEALED THEM IN SPITE OF THEIR LACK OF FAITH, OR ARE HUMANS ABLE TO STOP GOD FROM DOING WHAT HE WANTS TO DO? Who knows? Nevertheless, I think it is an attitude that should be addressed. Acts 18:8 Here are the ways that better translations render tava: vexed, provoked, pained, distressed, caused terrible pain, offended. Rather than being God, Jesus to them is a created being. Some professing Christians have concluded from texts like this that human faith gives power to God. Its the denial that the Father, Son, and Spirit are three distinct persons. While its true that our faith can prompt God to act, our lack of faith cannot prevent Him from acting if He wants to. Our trust is seen as so powerful that God is unable to act without it. Its not about Steven Furtick, but about the fact that he teaches unbiblical ideas in the name of Jesus Christ. The 28-year-old lead pastor at Elevation Church in Charlotte anointed his lips and head with oil, knelt to pray with his entourage, and sang and danced to "What an Awesome God You Are," a gospel-rock song that was a new favorite on his iPod. Heres what we know from the passage itself, from history, and simple logic: Because Revelation is usually the last book in the compilation of books we call the New Testament, we have a natural tendency to see it as the summation of what came before. We cant know them all, as God has not revealed them to us. It completely ignores a multitude of clear Bible passages, in which we see that the Father, the Son, and the Spirit are not the same as each other. That means that tritheism (three gods) is false. Thats not legal. It is all ONE God, not three different personalities, or persons. By grace ye are saved, and that is a mighty work, but it is through faith, (Eph. Theres no way around this, Kathleen. The church has now grown to a weekly attendance over 27,000 (as of 2019). However: if Furtick is right, who are we showing Gods nature to? If Im wrong, Im wrong and correcting me is doing me a huge favor. Ill recap, for clarity: Steven Furtick said that the power of God was in Jesus, and that He WANTED to do miracles, but Jesus could not BECAUSE the power of God was trapped in their unbelief. God is a molecular structure that fills all in all. It only resulted in God following through on His promise. If you need clarification to answer it that simply, Ill be happy to clarify but it seems simple: Do you, in any sense, have power over God? Thanks. Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions. His reason? In a Facebook post from 2021, Furtick wrote this: Following Jesus doesnt change you into something else, it reveals who youve been all along. It is still one man. He just was no longer visible. So, were do you get Jesus was entirely powerless from : He was able to and The power of God was in Nazareth? The law of the Lord is perfect (Psalm 19:7-10) and God could not break his own law for sin is the transgression of the law. (1 John 3:4);thus Christ was undefiled sinless Lamb of God and therefore as priest and victim He would make the perfect sacrifice to atone for sin. Elevation pastor is not wrong at all As always, Scripture should be our guide. Is it part of Revelation? Does he believe Jesus is the only way to heaven ? Think Furtick problem maybe just being ignorant of the word, proud. Any personal information you entrust to Steven Furtick Ministries, such as name, address, and email, will not be shared with any third party, unless otherwise noted. Ive removed the link you provided, in case any would be tempted to go and listen to him. We should all be like the Bereans: Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. I dont feel attacked by you. Its also a heresy known as panentheism. With God all things are possible. On that, modalists agree with the Bible. Essentially, the principle of Trinity exists all around us. Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. 174,204 talking about this. Thats a yes or no question, by the way. Thanks! I never assume someone is saved,born again because they like to debate Gods Word. Similarly, today a Doctor would tell a 21st century man to lay off coffee, an over used source of stomach (acid) trouble. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: I amhas sent me to you.. This is not a simple theological error, or a questionable interpretation of a particular Bible verse. Both, in this case, misuse Scripture and claim that it says something that it does not say. These friends and mentors, who lead big churches like Elevation, set his salary, which Furtick won't divulge. Truly, thats implied throughout both the Old Testament and the New Testament and its one of the ways we know which teachings are true and which are false. When people defend false teachers and repeat their errors, thats bad too right? Jude 1:3-4. What is wrong with saying; the power is in us, that we are the ones who determine whether were healed, and that God has already provided healing for all believers but we have to manifest it by faith? I dont know Steve or anything about him. You said you could not find any Bible that translates it in any other way than did., yet CEB says; I want to express this, and hope you will not be offended, and write a lengthy response to it, as such privilege you have , yet do not share with others. True, and I hope you dont think I agree totally with Furtick, as they are not the same, but rather one, a big difference! This is false. We know him only as a regular guy, not somebody with any special favors from God, and they were offended in him verse 56. Sun Stand Still: What Happens When You Dare to Ask God for the Impossible. When He doesnt, we shouldnt present our thoughts as if theyre His thoughts. Don't surrender in the middle of the struggle.In "Been Here Before," Pastor Steven Furtick encourages us to hold fast to hope because God is with us in whate. Steven and Holly are blessed with three children; two sons, Elijah and Graham, and a daughter, Abbey. When people do that, we put them on medication. God, in, I know that you can do all things; no purpose of yours can be thwarted. I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. I think you all foolish jealous that God can use a young man to reach and touch a younger generation-A godly man will alway get rebutted -shepherd boy David was constantly rejected yet he had heart after God -God see the heart of man so say you everything you want at least pastor Steve is not like Jimmy Swaggers a A womanizer or like Jim jones all these preacher that were manipulators of and womanizersGod said you know then by their fruit! From Scripture, we know that Jesus is NOT the Father, and that Jesus is NOT the Holy Spirit, and that the Holy Spirit is NOT the Father. The Scriptures are enough. Express your opinion! The alternative is heresy, as defined in the traditional, historic sense: limiting Gods power and ability to do what He wishes to do is a non-starter. Right my grip is that you can express yourself at length yet do not afford it to others, as kind of Rules for thee, but not for me! I just came to this discussion after hearing an amazing worship song on You Tube from Elevation Worship. Christianity seems pretty boring (to some people) after listening to false teachers explain that God doesnt judge them, that God wants them to be rich, that they have the power inside themselves to live an amazing life, and so on. They looked at Raleigh, and at Jacksonville, Fla. Paul, you say, needed to be humbled. Furtick, Steven (2010). In our natural state, we want nothing to do with God. I believe it means all of Scripture and think these false teachings are adding to Scripture. This indepth info is showing a envy for his church and a single point of view. Youre judging me, putting your spin on what Im saying. But seems you are conflating the two things, that of, God showing (demonstration) of who he is and the people receiving of said power through faith .. Heaven is waaaay more important than pizza, as Im sure youd agree. God can do whatever He chooses to do. Theres no limit to what God CAN do, but there are limits to what He WILL do. Thank you for this clarity and God bless. If a brother or sister in Christ corrects us, rejoice! Word On The Street: Community weighs in on Governor Newsom's death penalty executive order. Moving on to his marital affairs, the evangelist is happily married to his beautiful wife, Holly Furtick. Theres nothing in Scripture that tells us that we can prevent God from doing anything He wants to do. Second, Im supremely confident that you will agree with these statements correct me if Im wrong: If you agree with those things, then the only thing left for you and me to figure out is whether Steven Furticks teaching actually DOES contradict Scripture right? Yes, were made in Gods image. Ive only done the same. The only one who has the right to say if Im a true man of God is God himself, and if I wasnt called by God I will fall. The book of Revelation was, when written, not part of the Bible. Dont get me wrong: it has always been inspired Scripture. Low 31F. This includes everything from healing diseases to creating universes. Matthew 24 gives us more: But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. As no, it is not a logical and biblical explanation that He chooses to act under certain circumstances, and to not act in others, as God is not the author of confusion 1 Corinthians 14:33, and that would be the height of it, as even in your question: Look at James 3:1: Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly. God's Got Your Back Part 2. You have to be baptized to go to Heaven. But some times enjoys listening to fellows like Furtick and TD Jakes knowing the doctrine and error in the ministry itself. You can also subscribe without commenting. Paul was talking about PEOPLE exercising gifts improperly in church and CREATING chaos, which clearly would not be from God. ), 3. They did bad things, and no amount of awesomeness in the lives of their children can turn their crimes into blessings. Contrary to what they teach, the Bible clearly teaches there is nothing that prevents God from doing what He wants to do. ), 5. Feel free to continue disagreeing, if you dont see what I see. Its good that I leave in physical form because then I can give you in spiritual form, then I can direct you from a deeper place.. Gods INABILITY is a bad explanation. I appreciate your input: too many simply condemn people for being unbiblical, or heretical, without actually pointing to what they teach. It Was A Good Fight. God bless and give you discernment. He has aided the multi-site Elevation Church into a global ministry through online streaming, television as well as the music of Elevation Worship. Heres my position: Steven Furtick teaches modalism. Steven Furtick is a pastor, Grammy-award winning songwriter and producer, & New York Times best-selling author. I do not do this lightly, but it is necessary. Why is that? Not just theological stuff, but ALL true things. If you cant learn how to believe and stand on the word of God and believe that youre healed before you see it, then the majority of you are not ever gonna see the physical manifestation. What matters is what the Bible teaches, and whether those who preach and teach in Jesus name are teaching falsely. They represent the consensus view of all of Scripture, old and new. Thats different. Furtick is pastor of Elevation Church, a megachurch in Charlotte, N.C., with a weekly attendance of about 20,000, whose ministry has generated much controversy in recent years. As the founder and pastor of Elevation Church home of the popular Christian music group Elevation Worship he has a great amount of influence and a worldwide audience. Furtick taught as Ive shown that the people of Nazareth lacked faith, and it was their lack of faith that trapped Jesus power to heal. Do you agree with him that Modalism is true and the trinity is false? Deuteronomy 6:4 Isaiah 61:1 Matthew 28:19 Mark 1:9-11 Luke 1:35 John 5:21-23; 14:10, 16 Romans 8:9-11 1 Corinthians 8:6 2 Corinthians 13:14 Hebrews 1:8-10 James 2:19. (Un)Qualified: How God Uses Broken People to Do Big Things. Elevation Church broadcasts live every weekend and on demand throughout the week on ElevationChurch.online Join us Sundays at 9:30AM, 11:30AM, 2:00PM, 5:00PM, 8:00PM, & 10:00PM ET Learn More Featured Offer This is an arm-in-arm kind of association, where theyre working toward the same goals in the same ways. If you need a hand working through these issues, Im here to help. 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