Three quid k shots can overheat a thin barrel and turn a 1 MOA rifle into a 2 MOA. Mag., the new .28 Nosler, and the over-the-top 7mm RUM—a shoot-off to find the best. I'm looking to shoot 800yds maybe push it to 900yds. Vs. 50+ Ft-Lbs. It is based on the fat, belt-free 404 Jeffery case, but Nosler likely just started with the 7mm RUM which is itself a modified Jeffery. Mag. The 7mm WSM has a case capacity of approximately 82 grains of H2O. Fill this with 88 grains of slow burning Reloder 33 powder and, according to the Nosler Reloading Guide 8, you should get 3,211 fps from a 26-inch barrel. Based on the same case as the .26 Nosler (itself based on the .404 Jeffery) , marketing literature for the round claims a performance of 160 grains at 3,300 feet per second from a 26″ barrel. 92 grs. Mag., the new .28 Nosler, and the over-the-top 7mm RUM. 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The 7mm advantage comes from relatively high BC (ballistic coefficient) bullets in popular weights commonly used for hunting horned and antlered game. The Nosler in 2.590" long, the RUM is 2.850". I am at a total loss to understand how cutting .260" off of the RUM (to create the shorter Nosler OAL) can … Nosler developed this cartridge to equal or exceed both the 7mm Weatherby and 7mm Remington Ultra-Mag plus fit into a.30-06-length action. Then Remington blew the doors wide open with their new 7mm magnum chambered in their equally new and affordable M700 rifles. Let’s compare three cartridges that do that; the old 7mm Rem. Oldtrader3 - 04-18-2011, 07:06 I have been using a custom, Whitworth Mauser Mark X, 7mm Rem Mag for the past 35 years and a Husqvarna Crown 3000, 7mm Rem Mag before that (since 1964) for long range mule deer. Wildlife Agencies Are Calling on Hunters for Help, Our Obsession with Greenheads Is Ruining Duck Hunting as We Know It, Update: President-Elect Biden Picks Deb Haaland for Department of Interior Secretary, Married to the Game: Becoming a Great Hunter Means Living in the Moment. The 7 mm Weatherby mag is my favorite for two reasons. The rim of the RUM was already rebated to fit a .534-inch bolt face. 7mm Rem Ultra Mag Brass. A bigger concern might be barrel heating and subsequent “wandering.” Thin barrels tend to distort slightly with heat, opening up groups. Refine by Caliber: 308 Win ... .28 Nosler. That was the 7x57mm re-branded for the non-metric British Rigby rifle. Short, light barrels just don’t do justice to high temperature, high velocity, high pressure, overbore magnum cartridges. They are both based on the 404 Jefferys. We are now conversant in 6mm, 6.5mm, 7.62mm — and especially 7mm. Mag. Mag. all weather rifle so a simple rebarrel, clean the trigger up a bit, glass bed, Decelerator pad and a 26" stainless barrel to match my M70 .300 Win. All rights reserved. The resulting reservoir holds 77 grains of water with a 175-grain bullet seated to Over-All Cartridge Length (measured base to tip of bullet.). Almost overnight the “seven em em” was on the lips of American hunters. Firing a 210 gr. .280 Remington Brass. Like the 7mm STW and 7mm RUM, the .28 Nosler is seriously over-bore. The old 7mm Rem. Tags: .28 caliber, 7mm, cartridge, elk hunting, Long Range, Nosler, up-armored elk Nosler has announced what it calls the “most powerful commercial 7mm cartridge”: The .28 Nosler. Connect with friends faster than ever with the new Facebook app. A barrel “shot out” for target competition might remain more than accurate enough for big game hunting. Recoil of the .30 Nosler was my question too, and I happened to ask it to a group of gun writers who had shot the .30 Nosler at the SCA show last winter. More obscure were the 7mm Gibbs and the Norma-loaded 7x61mm Sharpe & Hart in the early 1950s. Like us on Facebook to see similar stories, Nashville blast: FBI looking at 'number of individuals', Apple iCloud issues follow Christmas activation rush. They share a maximum body diameter of 0.550 inch. Clearly the 7mm Rem. Were I seeking the absolute top-end, extreme-range performance and willing to carry a 28 inches of barrel, I’d look harder at the RUM. And that’s part of the reason 7mms are so popular. Outdoor Life may receive financial compensation for products purchased through this site. The published factory load ballistics for the .28 Nosler are impressive. The.28 Nosler and 7mm RUM push the same bullets—just faster. Most hunters who resist target practice can get a lifetime of good accuracy out of these 7mms. 'but not so much of a barrel-burner like the 28 Nosler.' Mag. Personally I'd roll 6.5 SAUM or 26 Nolser. 7mm-08 Remington Brass. Roy Weatherby began experimenting with the full-length Holland & Holland case in the 1940s, and he actually had a 6.5mm cartridge, but it would be 2016 until any Weatherby … The extra heat required to reach hyper speed eats away at barrel throats rather quickly. The consensus answer was a magnum 30 kicks like a magnum 30 and it matters little if it’s a Weatherby or a Winchester or a Nosler. Carefully spaced shots (don’t overheat the barrel) always extend life, as does each shooter’s accuracy demands. BUY NOW. But with laser rangefinders one can easily compensate for the slightly greater drop of the 7mm Rem. The 6.5-300 Weatherby Magnum is a beast; it is the .300 Weatherby Magnum—requiring a magnum-length action—necked down to hold 6.5mm bullets, replete with the double radius shoulder that Weatherby is famous for. A faster-than-standard 1-8.5” twist barrel design allows the 27 Nosler to propel Nosler’s factory-loaded 150gr AccuBond ® and 165gr AccuBond Long Range ® bullets (new for 2020) at never-before-seen velocities and distances in 270 caliber. 280 Rem 120 Grain Reloder 33, 7mm RUM 3,150 fps from 26” bl. These are some impressive numbers. Can You Keep COVID-Vulnerable Hunters Safe and Have a Real Deer Camp? and .300 Win. 160 gr. 28 Nosler Brass. Nosler will initially offer two loads, a 160gr AccuBond and a 175gr AccuBond Long Range, in their Trophy Grade line of ammunition. Refine by Caliber: .300 AAC Blackout .300 H&H Magnum. As you might guess, there isn’t much trajectory/performance difference between the RUM and the Nosler. In 2016 the .30 Nosler was announced, and the latest cartridge to join the Nosler line is the .33 Nosler. But, were I young and tough and starting from scratch, I might be lured into the .28 Nosler. The middle would be 6.5 SAUM 6.5 wby 6.5 WSM The 26 nosler is a 257wby on juice. Meanwhile, over in Africa a Scottish commercial ivory hunter named Bell was making the little 7x57mm famous as a BIG big game round by dropping some 800 elephants with it. Some are claiming as little as 600-round barrel life for RUM, 1,000 rounds for .28 Nosler, 2,000 for Rem. Like the .264 Win. Given the same basic form and muzzle velocity (MV), a 180-grain, .284 bullet will fly flatter, drift less, and retain more energy downrange than a 180-grain .308 bullet . Another indicates 74-grains of Hodgdon 870 will churn up 2,954 fps. and a high B.C. Handloaders can take advantage of all these, but most commercial ammunition features 120-grain to 178-grain bullets. The major difference between the two, is the design of the rifle chambers. 7MM Weatherby Mag Part II (Reloading History and Load Development) - Duration: 28:58. Indeed, over the years my 7mms have handled this stuff. I'm looking at Kimber Hunter 280AI 24" Savage 110 Long Range Hunter 280AI 26" Browning XBolt Western Hunter 28Nosler 26" Nosler Liberty 48 28 Nosler 26" burning 61 grains Reloder 22, 28 Nosler, 3,200 fps from 26” bl., 88-grs. The 7mm Remington Ultra Mag uses a larger capacity case and, loaded to the same MAP, has the potential to outperform the .28 Nosler, although not by a lot. I’m sure Remington engineers started with the .300 H&H case, but it was itself a modification of the .375, so same difference. I neither believe in this minimum nor in shooting elk at 700 yards, but this is impressive performance for a standard-length cartridge nearing its 60th birthday. 28 Nosler 120 Grain; 28 Nosler 140 Grain; 28 Nosler 150 Grain; 28 Nosler 160 Grain; 28 Nosler 168 Grain; 28 Nosler 175 Grain; 280 Remington. Introduced in 2005, the Nosler cartridge brass line is ready to load. of energy, the 30 Nosler outperforms such touted rounds as the 300 Weatherby and the 300 Win Mag. Mag. His bolt-action rifle was chambered for the confusing .275 Rigby. But you pay the price in recoil and that 26-inch barrel. This friction-free bullet jump allows it to break inertia more easily. The.28 Nosler is a shortened version of the 7mm Remington Ultra Mag. mag. And at sensible hunting distances even a basic MPBR hunter should have find more than 90 percent of his shooting opportunities covered by the Rem Mag. Second is the ballistics. 28 Nosler. No more than 7-pounds finished and field ready. The .28 Nosler and 7mm RUM push the same bullets—just faster. This calls for a light rifle. Reproduction in whole or in part without permission is prohibited. Rebating the rim to 0.534 inch simplifies the production of rifle bolts since the rims of Holland & Holland-style belted magnums, such as the 7mm Remington and.300 Winchester, are the same diameter. 7mm vs 300 win vs 28 nosler. Second Place: 7mm Remington Ultra Magnum, 62.2 Points. Mag. The Weatherby rifle chamber features a long free bore while the Remington is quite the opposite, in some instances almost strangling its loads. You might think Remington started the 7mm cartridge trend in 1962 with its famous 7mm Remington Magnum, but by then the 7mm Mauser was already well known. I'm kinda new to hand loading, just started at end of last year. I'm trying to decide between 280AI or 28 Nosler. So how do you choose among these three? And more recoil. for the .300 Weatherby Mag. Above the .270 and into the 7mm category (actually 7.2mm) is the 7 mm Weatherby Magnum based on the 300 H & H case and shoots a 139 grain head at 3300 fps and the 7mm Dakota which uses the same 404 Jeffrey Case as the 26 Nosler, it is smack between the 120 grain head with Mv of 3400 fps in the 7mm Dakota and the 139 grain head with Mv of 3300 fps. Read Next: Small Calibers for Big Game. It had impressed its power upon our troops in Cuba under fire from Spanish Mausers in 1898. Neither caught on, but American shooters were certainly beginning to recognize the potential for 7mm cartridges. Because the 7mm RM is a familiar benchmark, let’s establish some basic performance numbers in an 8 pound rifle with 24-inch barrel spitting a representative spire point, boat tail, 175-grain hunting bullet, B.C. Nevertheless, the 7mm Weatherby was the first 7mm magnum to achieve commercial success and it should've been the most popular; In my opinion, it's the best. If you’re going to tackle an elk or mule deer with a 180-grain bullet at around 2,900 fps, the 7mm version in that bullet weight will shoot flatter, drift less, and put more energy on target than the .308 version. They sharpened the shoulder angle. They explain in part the enduring popularity of the 7mm Rem. And that means more powder. Check out the 10 mph right-angle wind deflection at 400 yards: just 7.82 inches. Reply 02-24-2016, 07:57 AM #2 ... My favorite rifle now for elk and for international hunts is my .300 Weatherby (a .300 Win on steroids). 7x57 Mauser Brass. The 27 Nosler case has 42% more case capacity than the 270 Winchester, 25% more than the 270 WSM and 12.5% more than the 270 Weatherby. More than 1,900 ft-lbs of energy at 700 yards. Teddy Roosevelt was so impressed that he used the 7x57 as a basis for what became the .30-06 Springfield. The 7mm Weatherby has almost identical case capacity to the 7mm Remington Magnum. This is a long-range dream cartridge for sure. A Bonnier Corporation Company. The .308 just has to be quite a bit heavier. 6.5 Weatherby RPM Produced 2019 The goal of the 6.5 WBY RPM (rebated precision magnum) was initially based around maximizing the potential of the Mark V 6 Lug action. That results in performance like this: Whoa grandma! Show full articles without "Continue Reading" button for {0} hours. bullet have what it takes for hunting anything short of dangerous game. 7mm Shooting Times Westerner Brass. Engineers made three modifications that ensured popularity: they shortened the case to fit standard-length actions. © Ron Spomer Moose by the dozens have fallen to the 7mm Rem. 7mm Rem Mag Brass. It’s an excellent elk cartridge. Worth considering. Your results may vary. Those are some impressive numbers. Yes, the .28 Nosler wins the ballistic competition with the RUM right on its heels. And it will likely penetrate farther because more of its mass rides in the long shank behind its nose. 7mm Rem SAUM Brass. Although the 28 Nosler exceeds the Weatherby’s once class leading velocity, the Weatherby scored higher overall because it generates a bit less recoil than Nosler’s newcomer and the 7mm RUM. … The completed case holds 90 grains of water with our 175-grain boattail spire point bullet seated. (Aim for center and bullet will not rise more than 5 inches nor fall more than 5 inches within the MPBR. Ron Spomer. Remington seized on the 7mm’s success in 1963 with the production of the 7mm Remington Magnum, an effort that happened to coincide with the release of the budget-priced but accurate Model 700. The 7mm shoots .284-inch diameter bullets through bores .28-inch across, but only two use this Imperial measuring system in their titles: .280 Remington and .284 Winchester, both excellent but underrated “standard” velocity cartridges. I have Ruger #1s in 7MM Rem. The additional reach is tempting, but I’d pay the price with a 26-inch, fairly heavy barrel. They are all throwing the same bullets more than hard and fast enough for anything. If you go with a hot 7mm, get one with a fairly heavy barrel contour. If you want 7mm magnum performance, you’ll have to change tires (barrels) now and then. Build the perfect load has long been the motto of handloaders loyal to Nosler brand bullets–and was the sole reason we developed Nosler® cartridge brass. Improving 7mm Rem. It is purely a big-game hunting cartridge that utilizes .338-inch bullets. Microsoft may earn an Affiliate Commission if you purchase something through recommended links in this article. I’d be set for all North American game plus African plains game right up to 1,800-pound eland. Mag. 7-08 vs 28 Nos,its (drumroll) a foot and a half. without laser assistance. Like most of our early magnums, this is based on the belted .375 H&H Magnum case. A turbo 270 WIN that shares a 2.545” length case with the 257, 270, and 7mm Weatherby Magnums. Of course, you can exactly match 7mm ballistics with a .308 bullet if BC and MV are identical. and I like the velocity I get from them as well as from the M70. You go long. Despite all this powder volume, reloading guides all indicate the 7mm RUM tops out at around 3,150 fps with a 26-inch barrel, slightly slower than the .28 Nosler. PeaceCountryBoy 526 views. But to really appreciate this, let’s run a trajectory chart out to some crazy ranges. Going to a 28-inch barrel provides more volume for burning those big doses of slow-burning powder, adding 50 to perhaps 100 fps to 26-inch barrel velocities. First is the recoil, 25.9 Ft-Lbs. The 7mm advantage comes from relatively high BC (ballistic coefficient) bullets in popular weights commonly used for hunting horned and antlered game. Mag. for my brand of hunting. Part of this is due to the .40 inches of freeborn Remington builds into its 7mm RUMs to minimize chamber pressures on ignition. I have been looking at the RUM vs the Nosler. This is probably too high for real world hunting, but we’ll use it as a standard here for cartridge-to-cartridge comparison consistency.). 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